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Thread: Jason plato - "nil point"

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    Quote Originally Posted by prm666 View Post
    Completely agree with every point except one that needs clarifying... if its a bmr problem why hasnt ash sutton got the same problem? I'm genuinely mystified too. Plato can drive anything pretty well.. as those who've watched him on race of champions will attest to.
    Ash is a phenomenal driver, and clearly different to Plato if he can pull a result from the car.

    To Clarify my opinion, BMR had an initially difficult 2017 and Ash did amazingly well to win the series in 2017, if BMR had came into 2017 as they left 2016 then they would have wiped the floor with everyone at every round. TOCA "correcting" the CofG advantage of the Boxer Engine was a blow (and one I felt was unfair).

    I think that BMR overcommitted in 2017, 4 subaru cars and 2 mg cars is a lot of hard work and running them all probably hindered development of the Scooby in 2017. 2 x cars badly damaged in 2017 too (Plato's Scooby and Aron Smiths MG) time and cash spent repairing them probably hindered development too and meant that they never really recovered from TOCA's intervention. Of the 6 cars running only one achieved consistently decent results (admittedly very very decent).

    Warren Scott and James Cole never brought much to the party in terms of talent, in 2016 they had the best RWD development driver in the field in the Scooby and it showed. if they had started as a 2 car team with Turkington & Plato - retained Turkington into 2017 adding a 3rd car for Ash Sutton and not going near the MG's I think the story might have been very different.

    Basically I think in 2017 they were spinning too many plates and only managed to keep one spinning properly, 2018 is a hangover from that with a lack of testing, allegedly unpaid bills to Mountune so a change of engine partner to Swindon. Losing the MG's was the only positive development over the winter.

    I find the whole thing very disappointing as a relatively new team brought a new manufacturer to the series with a bold concept, and it showed so much promise. I still feel that TOCA torpedoed them, but since then it's all been a BMR Problem...

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    Thanks for your in depth reply, again i see exactly where your coming from. It seems the general consensus on here then is that Ash Sutton is just THAT good and Plato.. well just isn't at that level any more.
    I was worried for BMR last year that they would follow in the badly trodden footsteps of team hard and just bodge things together round to round but all credit to bmr, they've stayed strong.. i hope they ride out this season and come back as team title contenders again next year, even with toca's constant peg backs
    Last edited by prm666; 11th May 2018 at 07:59 PM.

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    Everyone else had had the same treatment, they knew what they were doing. History could have told them... look at WSR with RWD, look at Honda's engines with using Neil Brown. They both got pegged back in recent years in one way or another. So anything new was only going to have a very short benefit. The only significant and sustainable benefit you can bring is developing your setup and testing - thats what the regs are about. Look at Tom Ingrams car... what astounds me is, how come BMR and other big teams like Motorbase cant see it?

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    For Clarity

    So.

    JP is being nobbled by TOCA because of BofP and BMR because Warren Scott has a vested interest in Ash Sutton.........

    One of favourite Lunchtime pastimes is to read what is happening with JP and get the 'FANS' take on it...... This one is a belter though.


    I think Subaru have conspired with Honda as well to come in with the car and get TOCA to peg them back. Then they've both paid Warren Scott to make sure Ash wins the championship to make JP look bad.

    I think eve JP would get a laugh at this one......... Well done lads







    Or.... have we made an incredible leap of imagination and stumbled across the truth..................................
    Awesome Dude....

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    Have you not noticed the similarity between the this forum activity and the plato results... hahahahahah

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    Its because Forums like these are becoming a thing of the past. Everyone is on Facebook and twitter arguing. Its less regulated and they're less inclined to get chucked off.

    I remember in the 80's stupid people were kept hidden away, they wouldn't be able to get access to a forum like this so you never heard from them unless you met them in the supermarket or ought. Nowadays they've got a voice and an opinion, some of the things you read are shocking.

    I get the point you're making though, one way or the other people talk about JP. I for one don't want that to go away and I hope he comes back into the fray as soon as possible if he still has it in him of course.
    Awesome Dude....

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    Doesn't help that the forum is badly broken and has been for years.

    Look at the bottom of the front page for the 'Welcome to our newest member' link - they joined in 2016! I understand from people who have tried to register that the activation email aren't getting sent out, which meas they can't complete the registration. Emails to the admin address just bounce as un-deliverable.

    I've had posts randomly held for moderation, but since there are no moderators to be seen, I doubt they will ever be seen.

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    The media silence will be Jasons doing..

    Its good to see him struggling again this year. His excuses over the last 2 years have been patchetic and its never been his fault.

    He is hopeless at rwd and should move back to fwd or retire.

    Its bittersweet as for years he moaned about rwd and the unfair advantage they had. If the Subaru was allowed to keep its unfair advantage then he would have been laughing but since they got pegged back he was doomed.

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    I don't think JP is as good in RWD. Still good, but not as good. Ash clearly has been better than him since they got in the same machinery. Add to that how competitive the field is and BMR's engine lacking power - that's why Plato is struggling. Ash is hardly setting the world alight either, but he's just better in that car. It must be difficult when you're used to competing at the sharp end to be in amongst the lower order as well.

    I wouldn't write him off as 'finished', not by a long way, but I think JP needs to get back in a FWD car next year to prove he's still 'got it'. Time isn't on his side...

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    Plato isn't a RWD specialist, but there's no way that he's "hopeless" when it comes to RWD. When Plato and Turkington were paired at BMW in the FWD VW, Plato was clearly stronger at the start of the season as Turkington had a few struggles adapting to FWD, but by the end of the season he'd almost caught up. Then in the first season in the Subaru, Turkington was clearly the stronger, but Plato had almost caught up by the end of the season, so Plato was clearly on top of the car by that time.

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    I am not so sure that he will last the year at BMR, i think there is too much division between him and sutton and warren scott. Although they need his funding. I just hope that he doesnt leave and not come back. As much i am no fan of his the series would be worse off for not having him there and it already is as he is not up the front battling and its been like that for far too long

    I am known for not being a plato fan but i cant accept its a talent issue. I think the team arent so rosy and there is something fudamentally wrong within the team

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    I bet Aron Smith would go well in that car.

    Seems quite involved with BMR still - would be a good replacement i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    If the Subaru was allowed to keep its unfair advantage then he would have been laughing but since they got pegged back he was doomed.
    I disagree that the advantage they had in 2016 was unfair, one of the defining features of a Subaru Road Car is the low CofG of the Boxer Engine. If that carries over into the race version then I don't have a problem with that.

    A wee look at Rob Austin's old fan favourite "Sherman" would reveal that the engine was mounted lower and further back than in any road going Audi A4 giving better weight distribution and a lower CofG compared to the road version. But Sherman wasn't as successful as the 2016 Levorg so it's advantage was never addressed.

    If we are going to have rules about these things they should apply to all cars, not just the ones running at the front.

    I still feel that TOCA Hobbled them unfairly and this has probably the biggest factor in them not having the 2017 they expected, not managing to get the level of investment and sponsorship etc they need to run a top team. Yes they over reached in 2017 running 6 cars etc.

    I reckon Subaru will depart the series never to return once their deal with BMR expires, and it will be mostly TOCA's doing driving a manufacturer away because the opposition felt threatened. Alfa with the 155 in the 90's? Audi with the old A4 Quattro? History repeating itself.

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    You can hardly say that they didnt have the 2017 they expected his team mate won the title

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedishshuffle View Post
    You can hardly say that they didnt have the 2017 they expected his team mate won the title
    Given how fast they were at the end of 2016 I'd say that mine is a fair comment, both Plato and Turkington were kicking ass at the end of 2016, in 2017 normal service would have meant that Ash and Plato kicked more ass but that's not how it went. Ash won a deserved but pretty close title fight but the rest of the Scooby's were nowhere.

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